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  <title>Finance India</title>
  <updated>2009-01-06T15:29:52Z</updated>
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    <name>Amit Chakradeo</name>
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    <id>http://feeds.feedburner.com/113463</id>
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    <title>Satyam's Moment of Truth Is at Hand</title>
    <summary type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>Excerpts from Gilford Securities analyst Ashish R. Thadhani's recent report to clients on Satyam Computer Services (SAY):</p> <p>• • •</p><br/><a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/113463-satyam-s-moment-of-truth-is-at-hand?source=feed">Complete Story »</a></div>
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    <content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>Excerpts from Gilford Securities analyst Ashish R. Thadhani's recent report to clients on Satyam Computer Services (SAY):</p> <p>• • •</p></div>
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    <updated>2009-01-06T15:07:27Z</updated>
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    <author>
      <name>Ashish R. Thadhani</name>
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        <name>SeekingAlpha.com</name>
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      <subtitle>'India' Tag RSS Syndication from SeekingAlpha.com</subtitle>
      <title>India Stocks News and Analysis from Seeking Alpha</title>
      <updated>2009-01-06T15:28:28Z</updated>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5184850244660132569.post-2145387628300097530</id>
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    <title>Life Above 50</title>
    <content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><div align="justify"><a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yxDXLyjgmlU/SWNn_yEbsII/AAAAAAAAGYw/sA0jcQr1e_M/s1600-h/106.PNG"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5288184732932878466" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yxDXLyjgmlU/SWNn_yEbsII/AAAAAAAAGYw/sA0jcQr1e_M/s400/106.PNG" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 265px; TEXT-ALIGN: center;"/></a> Finally after some trillion years, we're breathing life above the 50 day average. In the mean time, the 20 day ATR has gone down to 98 making it 3.14% of the closing price. Are we getting squeezed for sure!<br/><br/></div></div>
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    <updated>2009-01-06T14:22:56Z</updated>
    <published>2009-01-06T14:17:00Z</published>
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      <subtitle>Technical Analysis of the Indian Stock Markets</subtitle>
      <title>The Indian Market Monitor</title>
      <updated>2009-01-06T14:24:09Z</updated>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5184850244660132569.post-6107714005909419104</id>
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    <title>Net High-Lows</title>
    <content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><div align="justify"><a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yxDXLyjgmlU/SWNj-Jb7tkI/AAAAAAAAGYo/eWIiHZ_13k4/s1600-h/net_nhnl.png"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5288180306799212098" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yxDXLyjgmlU/SWNj-Jb7tkI/AAAAAAAAGYo/eWIiHZ_13k4/s400/net_nhnl.png" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 250px; TEXT-ALIGN: center;"/></a> A rising population of the net monthly high - lows gives strength to the current rally. Chart from <a href="http://www.icharts.in/">www.icharts.in</a><br/><br/></div></div>
    </content>
    <updated>2009-01-06T14:05:34Z</updated>
    <published>2009-01-06T13:59:00Z</published>
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      <subtitle>Technical Analysis of the Indian Stock Markets</subtitle>
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      <updated>2009-01-06T14:24:09Z</updated>
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  <entry>
    <id>http://feeds.feedburner.com/113354</id>
    <link href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/113354-indian-markets-tuesday-wrap-up-cement-stocks-firm-up-gains?source=feed" rel="alternate" type="text/html"/>
    <title>Indian Markets Tuesday Wrap-Up: Cement Stocks Firm Up Gains</title>
    <summary type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><strong><a href="http://www.equitymaster.com/">Equitymaster</a> submits: </strong><p>Markets witnessed a volatile trading session today. After opening in the red, markets quickly moved into the positive territory during the morning session. However, after nose diving in the red during the afternoon session, persistent buying activity led the indices to close well above the dotted line. The Sensex closed higher by around 60 points, while the Nifty closed higher by 5 points. Stocks from the mid-cap and small-cap indices ended marginally in the red. While stocks from the cement, auto and banking space led the pack of gainers, stocks from the realty and power sectors failed to garner investors’ interests. Rupee closed at 48.6 against the US dollar. The Asian markets closed on a mixed note. However, the European indices are currently trading firm.</p> <p>Engineering stocks closed firm led by <a href="javascript:DMI(">Praj Industries</a>, <a href="javascript:DMI(">Voltas</a> and <a href="javascript:DMI(">BHEL</a>. <a href="javascript:DMI(">Punj Lloyd</a> has won an order worth Rs 2.6 bn for civil work on Sikkim’s first greenfield airport project. This project was awarded to the company by the Airport Authority of India ((AAI)) and is scheduled to be complete within a period of 24 months. The scope of this project will include construction of a 30 meter wide and 1.7 km long runway, taxiway, amongst other work for the airport. The airport is believed to be built at a height of 1404 meters above sea level. While the size of the order may be relatively low as compared to some of the other projects the company has won in the recent past, it is a positive development for the company considering it is the company’s first greenfield airport project in India.</p><br/><a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/113354-indian-markets-tuesday-wrap-up-cement-stocks-firm-up-gains?source=feed">Complete Story »</a></div>
    </summary>
    <content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>Markets witnessed a volatile trading session today. After opening in the red, markets quickly moved into the positive territory during the morning session. However, after nose diving in the red during the afternoon session, persistent buying activity led the indices to close well above the dotted line. The Sensex closed higher by around 60 points, while the Nifty closed higher by 5 points. Stocks from the mid-cap and small-cap indices ended marginally in the red. While stocks from the cement, auto and banking space led the pack of gainers, stocks from the realty and power sectors failed to garner investors’ interests. Rupee closed at 48.6 against the US dollar. The Asian markets closed on a mixed note. However, the European indices are currently trading firm.</p> <p>Engineering stocks closed firm led by <a href="javascript:DMI(">Praj Industries</a>, <a href="javascript:DMI(">Voltas</a> and <a href="javascript:DMI(">BHEL</a>. <a href="javascript:DMI(">Punj Lloyd</a> has won an order worth Rs 2.6 bn for civil work on Sikkim’s first greenfield airport project. This project was awarded to the company by the Airport Authority of India ((AAI)) and is scheduled to be complete within a period of 24 months. The scope of this project will include construction of a 30 meter wide and 1.7 km long runway, taxiway, amongst other work for the airport. The airport is believed to be built at a height of 1404 meters above sea level. While the size of the order may be relatively low as compared to some of the other projects the company has won in the recent past, it is a positive development for the company considering it is the company’s first greenfield airport project in India.</p></div>
    </content>
    <updated>2009-01-06T12:20:16Z</updated>
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      <title>India Stocks News and Analysis from Seeking Alpha</title>
      <updated>2009-01-06T15:28:28Z</updated>
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    <id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18601284.post-9217729996086954161</id>
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    <title>SoS Trade: Exit HDFC</title>
    <content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">I'm moving out of HDFC in the <a href="http://blog.investraction.com/2008/08/short-only-strategy-status-page.html">Short-Only Strategy</a>. The price has moved up sharply and I don't buck the trend.
<p>
Now, it's time for results and a lot of positions will emerge after results and weakness thereafter. The positions in Bharti and Nifty remain. 
</p><p>
At this point, we're still doing a 10% return, over four months. Not exciting but I need to really understand weakness - it will be in individual stocks, not the index.</p><div class="blogger-post-footer"><p>
This post is written by <a href="http://blog.investraction.com">Deepak Shenoy</a>, 
at <a href="http://blog.investraction.com">The Indian Investor's Blog</a>.
</p></div>
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    <updated>2009-01-06T12:16:05Z</updated>
    <published>2009-01-06T12:13:00Z</published>
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      <subtitle>Investing in the Stock Markets in India
- Deepak Shenoy</subtitle>
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      <updated>2009-01-06T13:17:35Z</updated>
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    <id>http://www.galatime.com/?p=2492</id>
    <link href="http://www.galatime.com/2009/01/06/readings-ponzi-hedgies-oil-contango-natural-gas-vs-naphtha/" rel="alternate" type="text/html"/>
    <title>Readings: Ponzi Hedgies, Oil contango, Natural gas vs naphtha</title>
    <summary type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">Time: The Ponzi Scheme in Every Hedge Fund

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<li><strong>Time: <a href="http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1869196,00.html" title="The Ponzi Scheme in Every Hedge Fund">The Ponzi Scheme in Every Hedge Fund</a></strong></li>
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<blockquote><p>Many assets — particularly those that unregulated hedge funds can trade — are not as liquid as stocks, so they do not always have a definite price on the market. Since a fund reports unrealized gains, it could easily get away with inflating profits. More specifically, the fund could use the most optimistic models to price its illiquid assets, which include mortgage-backed securities and other swaps.</p>
<p>Every year hedge funds do have to liquidate part of their profits in order to pay their managers, traders and other support staff. Fund managers typically keep 20% of (unrealized) trading profits. But first they must realize that 20% by selling the liquid assets. If a fund is overestimating the value of the illiquid assets, then its manager’s profit is grossly overestimated. In most cases, the profit is at least slightly overestimated because of slippage in the liquid assets. In other words, if a fund liquidated all profits, the supposed 20% taken out first would actually be larger than 20% of the total realized profit.</p></blockquote>
<ul>
<li><strong>FT: <a href="http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2009/01/05/50759/an-oil-price-cracker-too-late-for-some/" title="An oil-price cracker too late for some">An oil-price cracker too late for some</a></strong></li>
</ul>
<blockquote><p>The gasoline/naphtha (regrade) spread has narrowed to +30/mt versus a high of +120/mt last year. Front month WTI, meanwhile, was trading at $47.19 per barrel, with Brent (an increasingly better indicator because of Cushing storage issues - see this <a href="http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2008/12/23/50712/its-all-about-cushing/" target="_blank" title="link to FT Alphaville post on Cushing">FT Alphaville story</a>) at $50.36 per barrel.</p>
<p>. . . a recovery in crack spreads should suggest the elusive bottom may very well  have been reached in crude on the back of the market finding a new price equilibrium for the current greatly reduced demand for gasoline and naphtha in particular.</p></blockquote>
<ul>
<li><strong>Bloomberg: <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&amp;sid=af8HmeeFEbOk&amp;refer=india" title="Shell Cuts Gas Spot Prices in India as Users Switch to Naphtha"><span class="news_story_title">Shell Cuts Gas Spot Prices in India as Users Switch to Naphtha</span></a></strong></li>
</ul>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=RDSA%3ALN">Royal Dutch Shell Plc</a> cut by almost 30 percent the price of natural gas to be sold in India this month because of competition from cheaper naphtha. Prices of naphtha in Singapore tumbled 69 percent last year, outpacing crude oil’s 54 percent decline.</p>
<p>The price of LNG sold in India has slumped from a record $23 per million Btu in September, the buyer said. No cargoes were imported in November and December, according to transmissions from ships captured by AISLive on Bloomberg.</p></blockquote>
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    </content>
    <updated>2009-01-06T08:48:43Z</updated>
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    <title>Credit card copies on Mobile phones?</title>
    <content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">I was in Bangalore yesterday and the flight back to Mumbai was booked by a friend I am working with. The airline, Indigo, requires a copy of the credit card that was used to book the ticket - if you haven't used your own card.
<p>
I only had a copy of the front of the card - and the call center told me I would not be able to board. I was halfway to Devanahalli, I decided to take my chances. At the Indigo counter, the lady told me that it was good enough - all they were told was to ensure they had seen something where all the numbers were visible.
</p><p>
She also told me an interesting story: A customer had shown her a photograph of a card taken on a mobile phone! And that was fine, she said, because it met the rules.
Hey, a reasonable use for technology to solve problems, despite regulation.</p><div class="blogger-post-footer"><p>
This post is written by <a href="http://blog.investraction.com">Deepak Shenoy</a>, 
at <a href="http://blog.investraction.com">The Indian Investor's Blog</a>.
</p></div>
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    <updated>2009-01-06T06:40:13Z</updated>
    <published>2009-01-06T06:13:00Z</published>
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    <title>Indian Markets Monday Wrap-Up: India Leads Gains in Asia</title>
    <summary type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><strong><a href="http://www.equitymaster.com/">Equitymaster</a> submits: </strong><p>Fiscal stimulus announced last Friday evening boosted the market sentiments throughout the trading session. Buying activity intensified towards the end as indices closed well above the dotted line. The Sensex closed higher by around 340 points, while the Nifty closed higher by 80 points. Stocks from the Mid-cap and Small-cap indices also ended in positive territory. While stocks from the metal, energy and banking sectors managed to garner investors’ interests, stocks from the FMCG space remained out of favour. Rupee closed at 48.67 against the US dollar. The Asian markets closed in the green today. The European indices are currently trading firm.</p> <p>Software stocks ended on a firm note led by <a href="javascript:DMI(">Tech Mahindra</a>, <a href="javascript:DMI(">Infosys</a> and <a href="javascript:DMI(">HCL Technologies</a>. However, the stock of <a href="javascript:DMI(">Satyam Computers</a> ended deep in the red due to speculative news of it merging its business. As per a leading business daily, the rationale behind the same is due to the threat of being acquired by a domestic or overseas company, including private equity firms. As such, the company’s management is exploring the option of a merger with another software company. The management of Satyam has scheduled a board meeting on January 10 and is expected to address the issue of the dilution of the promoters’ stake and increasing the number of independent directors.</p><br/><a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/113199-indian-markets-monday-wrap-up-india-leads-gains-in-asia?source=feed">Complete Story »</a></div>
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    <content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>Fiscal stimulus announced last Friday evening boosted the market sentiments throughout the trading session. Buying activity intensified towards the end as indices closed well above the dotted line. The Sensex closed higher by around 340 points, while the Nifty closed higher by 80 points. Stocks from the Mid-cap and Small-cap indices also ended in positive territory. While stocks from the metal, energy and banking sectors managed to garner investors’ interests, stocks from the FMCG space remained out of favour. Rupee closed at 48.67 against the US dollar. The Asian markets closed in the green today. The European indices are currently trading firm.</p> <p>Software stocks ended on a firm note led by <a href="javascript:DMI(">Tech Mahindra</a>, <a href="javascript:DMI(">Infosys</a> and <a href="javascript:DMI(">HCL Technologies</a>. However, the stock of <a href="javascript:DMI(">Satyam Computers</a> ended deep in the red due to speculative news of it merging its business. As per a leading business daily, the rationale behind the same is due to the threat of being acquired by a domestic or overseas company, including private equity firms. As such, the company’s management is exploring the option of a merger with another software company. The management of Satyam has scheduled a board meeting on January 10 and is expected to address the issue of the dilution of the promoters’ stake and increasing the number of independent directors.</p></div>
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    <summary type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><strong><a href="http://www.quoteplatform.com/">Rakesh Saxena</a> submits:</strong><p>More than 25% of gold’s annual supply flows originate in the recycling of scrap. The global recession has now generated another recycling process altogether: the purchase and sale of jewelery items and gold bars entering the marketplace due to declining household wealth.</p><p>Gold bugs should take cognizance of the alarming pre-weekend announcement by the Bombay Bullion Association that gold imports into India, the world’s biggest gold consumer, fell 81% year-on-year in December 2008, as purchase orders through the complex gold chain (village-to-city) came to a virtual standstill. Indian gold imports for 2008 as a whole are estimated to have fallen by 47%.</p><br/><a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/113149-gold-recycling-threatens-demand-supply-equation?source=feed">Complete Story »</a></div>
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    <content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>More than 25% of gold’s annual supply flows originate in the recycling of scrap. The global recession has now generated another recycling process altogether: the purchase and sale of jewelery items and gold bars entering the marketplace due to declining household wealth.</p><p>Gold bugs should take cognizance of the alarming pre-weekend announcement by the Bombay Bullion Association that gold imports into India, the world’s biggest gold consumer, fell 81% year-on-year in December 2008, as purchase orders through the complex gold chain (village-to-city) came to a virtual standstill. Indian gold imports for 2008 as a whole are estimated to have fallen by 47%.</p></div>
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    <summary type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">NY Times: The End of the Financial World as We Know It

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<blockquote><p>What’s interesting about the Madoff scandal, in retrospect, is how little interest <span class="italic">anyone</span> inside the financial system had in exposing it. It wasn’t just Harry Markopolos who smelled a rat. As Mr. Markopolos explained in his letter, Goldman Sachs was refusing to do business with Mr. Madoff; many others doubted Mr. Madoff’s profits or assumed he was front-running his customers and steered clear of him.</p>
<p>Between the lines, Mr. Markopolos hinted that even some of Mr. Madoff’s investors may have suspected that they were the beneficiaries of a scam. After all, it wasn’t all that hard to see that the profits were too good to be true. Some of Mr. Madoff’s investors may have reasoned that the worst that could happen to them, if the authorities put a stop to the front-running, was that a good thing would come to an end.</p></blockquote>
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<blockquote><p>We spend a lot of time thinking about what could go wrong with a company — whether it’s a recession, stagflation, zooming interest rates or a dirty bomb going off. We try every which way to kill our best ideas. If we can’t kill it, maybe we’re on to something. If you go with companies that are prepared for difficult times, especially if they’re linked to managers who are engineered for difficult times, then you almost want those times because they plant the seeds of greatness.</p>
<p>The free cash a company generates divided by its market capitalization. If we can get a double-digit free-cash-flow yield, I’m interested, especially if we can’t kill the company and especially in a world of 3% or 4% risk-free yields.</p></blockquote>
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<blockquote><p>India’s next administration needs to cut interest rates and unveil more stimulus packages to revive an economy growing at its slowest pace in six years, the prime minister’s top economic adviser said.</p>
<p>Exporters in India have cut about 65,500 jobs as recessions in the U.S. and Europe, the nation’s biggest markets, damp overseas demand. <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=INPIINDY%3AIND">Industrial production</a> fell 0.4 percent in October, the first decline in 15 years, and <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=INMTEXUY%3AIND">exports</a> plunged 9.9 percent in November after falling for the first time in seven years the previous month.</p></blockquote>
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    <updated>2009-01-05T04:56:06Z</updated>
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    <content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>During 2008, I posted a bunch of articles on why I was <a href="http://www.galatime.com/category/real-estate/">bearish on real estate</a> in India - especially residential 2/3 BHK apartments in Tier I and II cities in India. I also wrote about my bearish outlook for <a href="http://www.galatime.com/2008/11/08/steel-production-price-cuts/">steel &amp; cement </a>prices. I haven’t changed my mind for 2009 (except that I am equally bearish on commercial real estate), and would like to add a relevant position to the <a href="http://www.galatime.com/portfolio/5l_kg.shtml">Rs 500,000 (5 lakh) virtual portfolio</a>.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, there are no cement futures traded on any commodity exchange in India. There are also no sector-specific indices that I can short. So I have had to pick a cement stock as the representative for my outlook on the sector.</p>
<p>The first trade in my 5L Virtual Portfolio is: Short <a href="http://nseindia.com/marketinfo/equities/quotesearch.jsp?companyname=indiacem&amp;submit1=go&amp;series=EQ&amp;flag=0">India Cements January 2009 Future</a> (1 contract) @ 105.</p>
<p>This is a single stock future, and unfortunately the NSE has <a href="http://www.indiainfoline.com/news/innernews.asp?storyId=86280&amp;lmn=1">quadrupled the lot size</a> for the March 2009 contract from  725 to <a href="http://nseindia.com/marketinfo/fo/foquote.jsp?key=FUTSTKINDIACEM26MAR2009--02JAN2009&amp;symbol=INDIACEM&amp;flag=1">2900</a>. So the current contract value is ~ Rs 75,000 but will go up to Rs 300,000 in March. I doubt I will keep the position after February F&amp;O expiry, but given that earnings season is coming up, I think the short trade is worth a try.</p>
<p>Take a look at the charts I posted here - <a href="http://www.galatime.com/2008/07/30/cement-production-consumption-trends/" title="Cement production, consumption &amp; price trends">Cement production, consumption &amp; price trends</a>. One word comes to mind: China! The astounding growth since 2004 in both production &amp; consumption is directly related to Chinese economic growth - including their infrastructure investments and real estate boom. The spate of negative economic news of late does not bode well for the Chinese cement industry, and similarly for the Indian cement industry.</p>
<p>What is amazing to me is the fact that cement prices have barely dropped from their peaks in India, while most other commodities have tanked - locally &amp; globally. Consider the chart below:</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img alt="" class="aligncenter" src="http://www.thehindu.com/2008/04/23/images/2008042359430801.jpg"/></p>
<p>Cement cost ~ Rs 150 per 50-kg bag in late 2005. It almost doubled by mid-2008, and is now down to Rs 230-250 per 50-kg bag. Given the massive RE boom during this period, and the inevitable slowdown in 2009, cement prices have at least another 25% to go on the downside.</p>
<p>I find it hard to believe that any government bailout or interest rate reduction in India will support demand enough to offset the huge supply additions by cement companies in recent years. While several projects have been cancelled or delayed, there is still enough new capacity coming online in 2009 &amp; 2010 to make cement companies think twice about resisting price cuts.</p>
<p>My hypothesis is that cement is one of the last commodities left to free-fall, especially in India. Moreover, prices have been the strongest in the South. One may attribute this to some infrastructure spending at the state-level or commercial/residential RE demand. But a combination of weak exports &amp; slowdown in IT (Satyam, Microsoft, . . . ) can only mean one thing - rapid drop in cement demand in the South. Finally, companies that focus solely on OPC (ordinary portland cement) may get by due to infrastructure demand propped up by government spending. But those that derive a substantial chunk of their revenue from PPC (used for residential RE) have got to suffer.</p>
<p>Within the cement sector, India Cements looks like a good short candidate in the above context. The bear market rally since late October has seen some cement stocks rebound over 40%, but India Cements has shown poor relative strength. It’s focus on Southern India, combined with capacity expansion in 2009 make it vulnerable to large price cuts.</p>
<p>Even Friday’s interest rate cuts by the RBI and the <a href="http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=46360&amp;kwd=">second bailout package</a> by the government are unlikely to revive the RE sector in any significant way. Low-income housing &amp; road projects aren’t quite the pony that these stocks rode in the bull market.</p>
<p>Note: Obviously, there are several risks to this trade. The standard <a href="http://www.galatime.com/portfolio/">disclaimer</a> applies to this - and every - position in the <strong>Virtual</strong> Portfolio.</p>
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    <title>A Real Estate Triggered ‘Stimulus’ Idea</title>
    <summary>IEB reader Durgesh Prasad, sent in this idea, via email to some of the IEB contributors.
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    <content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>IEB reader Durgesh Prasad, sent in this idea, via email to some of the IEB contributors.</p>
<blockquote><p>In today’s slow economy, where government is trying its best to keep the real estate market rolling and attracting investors to invest in real estate market in order to keep market live, I had an idea through which it can be achieved by government without loosing anything. Presently, the deciding period of differentiating a CAPITAL GAIN as Short term or Long term is 3 years period. If one sells his new house in less than 3 years and incurs profit, the gain is termed as Short term capital gain. And if he sells his new house after 3 years and incurs profit, the gain is termed as Long term capital gain. Now there is no way to avoid tax in short term capital gain, whereas there is way to save tax in long term capital gain, if the profit incurred is re invested in another residential house of price more than the profit.</p>
<p>The above way of saving tax from long term capital gain will help in rotating money in market to some extent, as it will result in at least two transaction of selling and buying a residential property. Considering this advantage, if Government can REDUCE The differentiator period from 3 years to say 2 years, then the market player who might be waiting for next year to sell his house to re invest, may do it so today and in a way will improve rolling of transactions in Market. Government will not loose anything , but will just be helping in moving the selling environment for its public to one year sooner. ( later on when economy improves, the years can again be raised to original 3 years )</p></blockquote>
<p>IEB reader Piyush Goyal (pgoyal77@gmail.com) sent in the following comment -</p>
<blockquote><p>Good idea without working out Revenue ramifications for the Govt. - Decreasing revenue would lead to further increases in deficits. Not a desirable side effect of the Capital Tax change prescribed.</p>
<p>Real estate in India was a bubble that needed to be pricked and was rightly so in this current market turmoil. The bubble was largely an effect of $’s looking for homes. As $ flow reversed course (for a myriad of reasons including margin covers, unwinding large diversified derivative positions etc etc), the bubble burst. My guess is that the affordability index of residential properties reached heights never seen in the Indian market during this bubble and popping of the bubble was a good thing. The 3 year lockdown on Cap-Gains is a great policy that needs to remain. MY TAKE - Real Estate (Residential Real Estate) should in a country like India never become an investment asset. No more Cap Gain benefits, not even after 3 years holding period.</p>
<p>One school of thought blames the “CapGains Clause” and “Income Tax gains on Interest Payments” as the excacerbating cause of the bubble in the Real Estate space in US and the resultant crash.</p>
<p>As the situation around the globe/US improves over a period of 3-4 years, the tremendous amounts of $’s being printed by the US Fed will once again look for homes to park and India will once more be ripe for a bubble of sorts in the RE space.</p>
<p>India needs to manage not just this current slowdown but also the impending bubble that might follow. Monetary policy cannot be ad-hoc and directed towards one marketplace or another, but deliberate and planned affecting prices across the economy - It should not cause bubbles and rolling recessions, instead should be used to smoothen the growth rate of the economy/GDP to Trend Growth Levels. Price stability is tantamount not fixing a market or two.</p>
<p>The sincere thoughts of the writer are appreciated but slowdown in a sector (mostly irrelevant and excess prone sector like RE) cannot and should not be cause for myopic policy - Long Term (Medium Term at the very least) price stablity should be the goal of both Monetary and Fiscal policies.</p></blockquote>
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    <summary type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">Big Picture: Global Manufacturing Collapse



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<li><strong>Big Picture: <a href="http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/global-manufacturing-collapse/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link to Global Manufacturing Collapse">Global Manufacturing Collapse</a></strong></li>
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<li><strong>Jayanth Varma: <a href="http://www.iimahd.ernet.in/~jrvarma/blog/index.cgi/Y2009/India-in-ZIRP-world.html" name="India-in-ZIRP-world" title="India in a ZIRP world">India in a ZIRP world</a></strong></li>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><img alt="plot of spread between the Indian repo rate and the US Fed Funds target" class="aligncenter" src="http://www.iimahd.ernet.in/~jrvarma/blog/Y2009/India-in-ZIRP-world-figure.jpg"/></p>
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<li><strong>NY Times: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/04/magazine/04risk-t.html?_r=1" title="Risk Mismanagement">Risk Mismanagement</a></strong></li>
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<blockquote><p>“Risk modeling didn’t help as much as it should have,” says <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/aaron_brown/index.html?inline=nyt-per" title="More articles about Aaron Brown.">Aaron Brown</a>, a former risk manager at <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/morgan_stanley/index.html?inline=nyt-org" title="More information about Morgan Stanley">Morgan Stanley</a> who now works at AQR, a big quant-oriented hedge fund. A risk consultant named Marc Groz says, “VaR is a very limited tool.” David Einhorn, who founded Greenlight Capital, a prominent hedge fund, wrote not long ago that VaR was “relatively useless as a risk-management tool and potentially catastrophic when its use creates a false sense of security among senior managers and watchdogs. This is like an air bag that works all the time, except when you have a car accident.” Nassim Nicholas Taleb, the best-selling author of “The Black Swan,” has crusaded against VaR for more than a decade. He calls it, flatly, “afraud.”</p></blockquote>
<p><em>Long, good read.<br/>
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    <updated>2009-01-04T04:32:19Z</updated>
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    <content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">So into the <a href="http://www.galatime.com/portfolio/5l_ds.shtml">5L virtual portfolio</a> come three stocks:
<p>
<b>Hero Honda</b>: Strength in auto is evident in this counter. This is largely a technical buy of a strong stock in a beaten down sector: Auto. I have strong hopes for rural auto buys, especially with dropping fuel prices, better roads and lowered interest rates. Hero Honda is a strong stock, and while the fundamental reason for the strength isn't evident, I'm listening to the price. 10% on this stock at 792.
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<b>Gold Bees</b>: I'm just a sucker for this commodity - 10% exposure at 1339.
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<b> Aftek Infosys</b>: This company trades at half its cash. With Rs. 30 of cash in the bank, and half yearly EPS of Rs. 9, it's tough to imagine the worst is yet to come. Still, the cash is parked in Portugal (of all places) and there is the danger of a shady past (involving Ketan Parekh and all). So, let's do a 2% bet on this stock at 14.20, with plans to scale in as we cross 16, 18, 20. 
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Yeah, this is a little unfair coming a day after a stimulus package and all. But I've actually bought these myself, and I have suggested them for accounts where I consult, and we've been buying for the last few weeks. So huge-ass disclosure: I'm quite hugely invested in these stocks.
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Disclaimer: Do not follow this portfolio - it is virtual and while I do have positions, they do  not reflect proportions I mention here. This is not advice. This is not meant to be for you - it is only an expression of my opinion for me. I know you already know this, but it's the legally correct thing to do.</p><div class="blogger-post-footer"><p>
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Sadly he didn't make enough money from his predictions. But then, neither has Taleb I think (if you add up all the past years) and look where that got him. Interestingly, people seemed to be outraged and laughed at Peter, all while he was making sense: I can bet that the guys (and girls) who laughed at Peter on TV will not apologise or admit they were bullshitting - because they will say "hoocudanoode!" ("who could have known") Certainly, someone on their show did know, and they laughed. 
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<blockquote><p>2 (c) NBFCs, dealing exclusively with infrastructure financing, would be permitted to access ECB from multilateral or bilateral financial institutions, under the approval route of RBI.</p>
<p>2 (d) In order to give a boost to the corporate bond market, FII investment limit in rupee denominated corporate bonds in India would be increased from US $ 6 bn to US $ 15 bn.</p>
<p>State Governments are facing constraints in financing expenditure because of slower revenue growth. To help maintain the momentum of expenditure at the state government level, states will be allowed to raise in the current financial year additional market borrowings of 0.5% of their Gross State Domestic Product (GSDP), amounting to about Rs 30,000 crore, for capital expenditures.</p></blockquote>
<p><em>And of course the RBI cut repo and reverse repo rate by 1% and CRR by 0.5%.</em></p>
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<li><strong>Zeal: <a href="http://www.zealllc.com/2009/ngsenv.htm" title="New Gold Stock Environment">New Gold Stock Environment</a></strong></li>
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The success of  			gold stocks indeed rides on the success of their underlying product,  			gold.  In fact the only environment to invest in a gold mining  			company, thus taking on the myriad of risks that come with it, is in  			a rising gold price environment.  But in order to take on these  			risks there must be incentive.  And the positive leverage mentioned  			earlier is the incentive gold stock investors long for.</p>
<p>Inherently gold  			mining profits should leverage gold’s gains.  And in a stable-cost  			environment margins should soar as the price of gold rises.  It is  			the realization and anticipation of stellar profits that attracts  			investors to gold stocks.  As a general rule of thumb I like to see  			at least 2x leverage, which is why the leverage seen in the last  			gold upleg was so disappointing.</p></blockquote>
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<li><strong>Bloomberg: <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=awn2Wusfflyk&amp;refer=home" title="SEC Said to Examine More Ponzi Schemes After Madoff "/><a>SEC Said to Examine More Ponzi Schemes After Madoff</a> </strong></li>
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<blockquote><p>U.S. regulators working to untangle <a href="http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Bernard+Madoff&amp;site=wnews&amp;client=wnews&amp;proxystylesheet=wnews&amp;output=xml_no_dtd&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;filter=p&amp;getfields=wnnis&amp;sort=date:D:S:d1">Bernard Madoff</a>’s alleged $50 billion Ponzi scheme are probing  other money managers suspected of using similar tactics, two people with  knowledge of the inquiries said.</p>
<p>The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is pursuing at least one case in  which investors may have been cheated out of as much as $1 billion, according to  a person, who declined to name the manager and asked not to be identified  because the probe isn’t public.</p></blockquote>
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    <content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">The major events over the last few weeks created a small scare for some of the Indian banks. The fear was the level of exposure to the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy and the ongoing credit crisis.<br/><br/>Considering that a lot of us including my family and me have our savings with ICICI bank, I decided to have a look at the Annual report of the bank in detail. Following is the analysis of the bank from a depositor’s perspective (and not an investor’s perspective).<br/><br/><strong>Some positives</strong><br/>The bank raised 20000 Crs in 2007. As a result of the issue, the CAR (capital adequacy ratio) now stands at around 14%. The bank has an annual profit of around 4150 Crs and a consolidated profit (including subsidiaries) of around 3100 Crs.<br/><br/>ICICI has several subsidiaries. In aggregate the subsidiaries are making losses, mainly due to the insurance sub. Due to the insurance accounting (expensing the policy expenses in the current year), the insurance subsidiary has been showing increasing losses as it grows. However the subsidiary has value, which is growing. In all, my personal estimate for the valuation of subsidiaries is around 23000 Crs, which is around 30% of market cap and almost 50% of book value<br/><br/><strong>Negatives<br/></strong>The bank has been in the limelight due to the losses incurred by the collapse of Lehman brothers. This has been a case of availability bias. The market has been focused on the dramatic instead of the important (as usual).<br/><br/>The derivative related losses (dramatic) incurred by the bank have been to the tune of around 887 Crs which have been charged to the P&amp;L statement (marked to market) and around 203 Crs, which have been charged to reserves.<br/><br/>AS 30 accounting requires mark to market accounting (and P&amp;L pass-through) for certain derivatives and reserves adjustment for others (read AS30 to understand the details).<br/><br/>At the same time there has been a rise in the Gross NPA from 4850 Crs to 8350 crs. This increase is more important for the bank and its valuation as retail assets account for around 60% of the bank’s assets. However the market did not react strongly to this important change as it is hidden in the Balance sheet. The NPA have increased further in the current quarter. In addition the provision are around 55% of Gross NPA. So there is still an exposure of around 3500 Crs, which could hit the P&amp;L in the future.<br/><br/><strong>accounting is pretty complex<br/></strong>Bank accounting and especially derivative accounting is complex. It is very difficult to make out whether the bank is making or losing money on its entire derivatives exposure at any point of time. The bank discloses the total notional exposure which is atleast 1000 times or more of the net exposure. The profit or loss is a multiple of the net exposure. So it is difficult to figure out the profit or loss on the derivative book based on the bank disclosures alone.<br/><br/>In addition mark to market accounting is also misleading. It is equivalent to drawing your personal profit or loss based on change in share prices. If you think a stock is worth 100 rs, and you bought it for 50 rs and the price dropped to 30, how will you account for it ?<br/><br/>Mark to market accounting says, report a loss of 20 now. If the price jump to 70 in the next quarter then reverse this loss and report an ‘income’ of 40. However you may choose to ignore these swings and say I intend to hold the share for next 3 years and believe the market is mispricing the stock in the interim.<br/><br/>So what is the truth ? frankly there is no objective truth. It depends on the specific instrument and circumstances. Accounting requires being conservative and hence the loss of 20 in the current quarter.<br/><br/>This is the kind of complexity we are dealing with derivatives. The bank may very well have losses on the portfolio or they may right in saying that these are only notional losses as the underlying credits are still intact.<br/><br/><strong>are there solvency issues ?</strong><br/>I think there are no solvency issues for the bank based on the current losses and statements from the bank. The bank has reduced the credit derivatives by almost 800 Mn usd. This does not mean that the bank will not have losses in the future due to derivatives. There is a huge derivatives exposure (notional) on the banks balance sheet. </span><br/><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;"/><br/><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">As of March 2008, the fair value for the derivatives was positive and for interest swap is midly negative (page 116) , so the bank is not losing money on those derivatives (as of march 2008) . However this value may turn negative in the future.<br/><br/>However the point to remember that the bank is making around almost 1000 crs per quarter on a standalone basis. In addition it has a high capital cushion and assets in the form of subsidiaries. So there is a decent amount of capital cushion to absorb any of these losses. There is always a risk of unknown losses hiding in the balance sheet in the derivative books due to black swan events. I frankly cannot evaluate and estimate those losses from publicly available documents.<br/><br/>Finally the trump card for the bank is the concept of ‘Too big to fail’. Do you think the Indian government would risk allowing the bank to fail (second largest bank in the country) and jeopardize the financial system?<br/><br/><strong>valuation based on book value ?</strong><br/>I am amazed at the simplistic valuations done by a lot of people and analysts. For ex: ICICI is selling at X times book value and hence it is a buy !! If you read the Annual report, you will realise the complexity of this company. It would be silly to value the bank based on book value alone<br/>The bank has assets (subsidiaries) and risk (derivative exposure) which are quite difficult to estimate (atleast for me). A simple book value based valuation is a foolish way to value this bank.<br/>The minimum analysis to arrive at the final valuation is to value the bank and its subsidiaries. The derivative exposure and other liabilities need to valued separately and the net value should be derived from the difference. Luckily, investing in stocks is not like exams where I will get flunked for not answering a question. I can always pass on the stock.</span>
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    <content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">The crisis is now full blown. I have not seen panic at this scale personally. I have read about it, but not seen it personally. It almost feels as if companies are being targeted one at a time. Lehman went into bankruptcy and AIG just survived through government help, though equity holders have been wiped out (almost). Now it seems the market has moved on to </span><a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/morgan-stanley-slips-20-courts/story.aspx?guid=%7B6C54BBEC-E779-4F98-924A-9AAED9C4160E%7D"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">Morgan Stanley</span></a><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">, Goldman Sachs and Washington mutual. It almost feels as if the market is killing one company at a time. Scary!<br/><br/><strong>How does it impact us in India?<br/></strong>I think, the impact would initially be limited to companies with Global businesses. So IT companies with revenues in this space could get hit in the short term. However I think it should work out for these companies in the medium to long term as they find new clients, geographies and start growing again. The business model for IT companies is not under threat. However in the short run, IT companies are and could keep getting hit. However I would be worried about small IT companies with high exposure to the Financial and associated sector.<br/><br/>The next in line to get hit could be banks like ICICI bank and others, which have foreign operations and derivatives on their balance sheets. I am currently analyzing ICICI bank and I can tell you that complexity for most banks have gone up. </span><a href="http://valueinvestorindia.blogspot.com/2007/11/financial-institutions-and-risk.html"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">As I wrote earlier</span></a><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">, I exited banks quite some time back when I realized that I could not evaluate the risks correctly. That said, I think none of the Indian banks are under serious solvency threat. The profits could get hit, but most of the Indian banks do not have massive exposure of derivatives. I am analyzing ICICI and other banks from a depositor’s point of view and not from an equity investment point of view. So I am looking at these banks from a safety point of view.<br/><br/>Other than the above two sectors, I cannot think of any broad sectors, which could get hit hard by this crisis.<br/><br/><strong>Second order and higher order effects<br/></strong>What is missed out in most analysis, is the second and higher order effects of an event. Indian companies may not get hit directly, but a recession in developed countries and lack of liquidity and risk aversion is bound to affect us in the medium term.<br/><br/>For the last, 3-4 years almost every asset class in India has gone up. There were all kinds of reasons given for this rise, but rarely was liquidity mentioned as one of the key reasons. Now with the liquidity drying up, I don’t think we will be seeing such double-digit growths in Real estate and other markets.<br/><br/><strong>What am I doing?<br/></strong>I don’t get worried about drops in stock prices. Such drops are a part of the game. When I invest in equity, my main worry is permanent loss of capital and not temporary losses due to volatility.<br/>Personally, I had put my buying on hold for the last couple of months. For some reason, I felt that the markets could go south in the medium term. As a result I stopped buying some time back. However I did not back this hunch by going short, as I may very well may have been wrong. I did buy some puts, but did not build a decent position as I was not sure. I think I should start trusting my gut more.<br/><br/>I am still standing pat and not planning major activity for some time. I personally don’t expect these issues to get worked out in a few weeks and feel that I could be getting better bargains in the near future.<br/><br/>I have a question and would appreciate if some could answer, as I have not been able to figure it out – If the bank/ DP fails, what happens to my shares. Is it similar to a savings account where you can lose your savings or are the shares held by NSDL or someone else and hence I am safe?</span>
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    <content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">First it was Bear stearns, but the US treasury (similar to our Finance ministry) and the Fed (similar to our RBI) engineered a </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_Stearns"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">bailout</span></a><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">. Bear stearns, an investment bank was bought out by J P morgan, a commerical bank, in March. This bailout was done to calm the markets and reduce systemic risk.<br/><br/>Well, next in line were </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Mac"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">Freddie Mac</span></a><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;"> and </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fannie_mae"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">Fannie Mae</span></a><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;"> which were nationalized (</span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_takeover_of_Fannie_Mae_and_Freddie_Mac"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">federal takeover</span></a><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">) for the same reason last week. Now this week it is the turn of Lehman brothers which seems to be on the verge or ready to file for </span><a href="http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/lehman-to-file-for-bankruptcy-protection/"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">bankruptcy</span></a><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;"> protection. Merrill lynch, another Investment bank and brokerage, is in </span><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=aRVspw_Rse64&amp;refer=home"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">merger talks</span></a><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;"> with Bank of america. After Lehman brothers, Merrill lynch seems to be the weakest firm and so it could come under attack.<br/><br/><strong>More companies at risk<br/></strong></span><a href="http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AAIG"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">AIG</span></a><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">, one of the largest insurers has fallen by 30% and is at risk now. So is </span><a href="http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AWM"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">washington mutual</span></a><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">, another large bank. So we have a situation where the credit crisis (acutally bad investments on part of the banks and institutions) is now engulfing the financial system.  Finally the S*** is hitting the fan !</span><br/><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;"/><br/><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">We could very well see a domino effect and the US government may decide not to bail out any more companies. We could be in for some nasty times.<br/><br/><strong>What does it mean for us ?</strong><br/>So how does it effect us ? Well if you are into medium to long term investing, not much. Actually the panic could create opportunities for us in india. I really don’t see Indian companies getting impacted (other than IT or export oriented companies due to a possible recession in the US and other economies). The impact for IT companies in the long run should not be too much. However there could a short term impact in companies with a high percentage of revenue in the BFSI segment.<br/><br/>All this mess, makes you wonder what kind of risk our banks and financial services firms are taking. I am repeatedly reminded of this statement by warren buffett<br/><br/><em>‘When you combine ignorance with leverage you get some pretty interesting results’</em></span>
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    <content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">I had written about real estate and </span><a href="http://valueinvestorindia.blogspot.com/2007/11/real-estate-valuation-i.html"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">its valuation</span></a><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;"> a year back. I would suggest reading the </span><a href="http://valueinvestorindia.blogspot.com/2007/11/real-estate-valuation-random-thoughts.html"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">earlier post</span></a><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;"> before proceeding on this one.<br/><br/>The usual approach to valuing real estate is to look at the rental yields.<br/><br/>Rental yield = net rental after all expenses / capital value.<br/><br/>Investors expect yields to be in the range of 4-6%. This equates the capital value to around 16-25 times the rentals being received on a property.<br/><br/><strong>Ancedotal evidence<br/></strong>I have a few friends who have trying to rent out their apartments in bangalore. They are finding it diffcult to get a rent of 11000 per month on a 2 bedroom, 1200 sqft apartment. Supposedly the apartment is worth between 40-45 lacs (atleast, depending on who you ask).<br/><br/>So based on the valuation thumb rule, either they should get a gross rental (excluding expenses) of around 16000-20000 at a minimum or the property value should be around 25-30 lacs.<br/><br/>Now I can consider my 2 bedroom dinghy, a tajmahal and value it at 50 lacs, but the value has to be backed by rentals. I personally think the litmus test of property values is the rentals one can receive on it. Property values are like stock prices. They have an element of underlying value (cash flows in stocks and rentals in case of property), but at the same time there is a speculative element too. The speculative element appears as a part of the quoted price – stock price or property value.<br/><br/>When investors are optimistic, stock prices are bid up and when they are pessimistic they bid them down. Simple isnt it ? well almost everyone forgot this basic idea for real estate. Property prices rose 2-10 times across the country depending on the location and type of property<br/><br/><strong>Is the valuation approach correct ?<br/></strong>Now you can say that this valuation approach is incorrect. Consider this – if I have to invest in an illiquid asset, will it not expect 14-15% returns over the long term ? So if I am getting 2-2.5% via rentals, then my property should appreciate by 12-13% p.a over the long term to get decent returns.<br/><br/>Well, globally over a range of markets, real estate is known to return 2-3% returns over inflation ( so around 7-8 % in case on india) over the long run.<br/><br/>You may argue, as several of my friends have – this time it is different. India is doing well, incomes are rising, there is limited land and huge demand etc etc. Well, to that I can say, please read the history of the real estate boom and bust in japan in late 90s, in california and florida in 80s and check what is happening in the US, dubai and other markets. Similar faulty logic was given to justify the inflated prices, till the bubble burst and prices returned to reality.<br/><br/><strong>Hope and belief does not count<br/></strong>Investing in any asset, stock or real estate cannot be based on borrowed wisdom. If you want to make money, use common sense and read about it before taking a plunge.<br/><br/>Unfortunately a lot investors in the US and maybe in india got greedy and speculated in stocks, real estate and other assets in the last 2-3 years.<br/><br/>Real estate like any other asset is known to get overpriced from time to time. I strongly felt that the huge surge in global liquidity from 2003 drove the interest rates down in india and pushed the stock and real estate prices up.<br/><br/><strong>All talk ?<br/></strong>You may be thinking – everyone is smart after the fact. If you were so smart, what did you do about it ?<br/>For starters, I was not smart about it. I avoided being greedy and tried to use common sense. I personally like to run my finanical affairs with a margin of safety. For example, when buying an apartment, my primary considerations were the following<br/><br/>- can I afford the EMI – I tried to keep the EMI at 40% of my current gross income (not future income)<br/>- would I be able to keep the house if the worst case scenario happened, such losing my job or loss of income.<br/>- What would my debt equity ratio after buying the property (see this </span><a href="http://valueinvestorindia.blogspot.com/2007/11/real-estate-valuation-random-thoughts.html"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">post</span></a><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;"> for more details of my logic)<br/><br/>2003-2004 was a great time to take housing loan. Banks and HFC were giving variable rate loans at around 7.5% and fixed term loans at 7.75%. I had no idea whether the real estate prices would boom or go down. However what was obvious then, was that banks were underpricing debt. Let me explain my logic for the same<br/><br/>A loan by a bank is basically a product which has a cost and a profit margin for the bank.<br/><br/>So interest charged = bank’s profit margin + cost<br/><br/>Cost = interest paid by the bank + loan losses due to bad loans (typically around 1-1.2 %) + overheads (typically around 0.5%)<br/><br/>The interest rates paid by the bank is dependent on the inflation.<br/><br/>So for a 7.75% charge, the bank was assuming a cost of fund of 6% (7.75 – 1.2-0.5 %). This was too low. This is the cost at which the Indian government is barely able to borrow, much less the banks.<br/><br/>The subsequent events have borne out the above logic. The loan losses were underestimated by the banks and the cost of funds was underestimated too. As a result, bank have now repriced their loans and are not likely to underprice them as low as 2003-2004 time frame.<br/><br/>During the 2003-2004 time frame, I strongly felt that the loan rates were too low. In response to that, I refinanced my loans and increased the duration from 15 to 20 years (see an earlier </span><a href="http://valueinvestorindia.blogspot.com/search?q=interest+rates"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">post</span></a><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;"> on the same). The key was to focus on what I know (loan rates were low) and avoid speculating on what I could not know (real estate prices would rise or fall)<br/><br/><strong>Have I gloated enough?<br/></strong>The above thought process turned out to be too conservative. Others who took higher risks in 2003-2004, were rewarded handsomely. So, my decision was not some unqualified success. However I am still very happy with decision as my conservative approach has helped me in avoiding losses in the past.<br/><br/>Being rational and avoiding greed is like virginity. Either you have it or you don’t.<br/><br/><strong>Collateral damage<br/></strong>Not everyone who is suffering in the US or india was greedy or speculated in real estate. Some of the buyers in the US were first time buyers who bought property as their first home at speculative prices. These people are now facing ruin due to drop in home prices. One feels sorry for them.<br/><br/><strong>What does the future hold ?<br/></strong>I don’t know :) ..what one can do is to look at history and try to learn from it. History does not always repeat, but it is good starting point. In most of the real estate bubbles, the market takes upto a decade to recover the earlier peaks.<br/><br/>One should also remember that real estate typically gives a few percentage points over inflation. If you speculate in an illiquid asset, by buying it on debt, you are asking for trouble.</span>
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    <content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">Read my earlier analysis of BEL </span><a href="http://valueinvestorindia.blogspot.com/2008/06/analysis-bharat-electronic-limited-bel.html"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">here</span></a><br/><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;"><br/><strong>Results summary</strong><br/>The company had an average year in 2007-2008. The sales growth was around 7% and the profit growth was around the same. The net profit margin improved to around 20%. The company maintained the ROE numbers at the 25%+ levels and continues to be a zero debt- cash rich company<br/>The open order book has now increased to 9586 Crs with around 3100 Crs executable in the current year. This provide visibility to around 80% of the annual revenue.<br/>The business is skewed to the fourth quarter due to the projects nature of the business and hence the company accrues almost 60% of its profit in the last quarter.<br/><br/><strong>The positives</strong><br/>The company maintained its ROE, margins and other key performance indicators such as order book, Fixed asset Turnover ratio, Raw material costs etc.<br/><br/>In addition the company is now spending almost 5.1% of revenue on R&amp;D and plans to increase it to 8-9% of sales. This is a very positive development as R&amp;D is crucial in this business . BEL is among the very few indian companies which spend on R&amp;D and may have the highest spend in terms of sales. The company has been developing a lot of new products and now gets almost 83% of the turnover from indigenously developed products<br/><br/>The company has conservative accounting for foreign exchange (Company has no derivatives) and charges all changes to the Profit and loss statement.<br/><br/>Finally the company continues to be a debt free company with almost 2400 Crs in cash on the books. Net of cash, the ROE numbers of the company are fairly high, which reflects the strong competitive advantage of the company.<br/><br/><strong>The negatives</strong><br/>The number that concerns for me is the high level of recievables. The recievables have shot up from around 1000 odd crores in 2005-06 to around 2080 Crs in 2007-08. As a result recievables have consumed almost 60% of the free cash for the last 2 years. This is very discomforting and will have to watched closely. The management has indicated that they are planning to bring it down, however I am still concerned about this number which is now a red flag.<br/><br/>The other concern is the very high skew for the fourth quarter. It is not very healthy to book so much business in a single quarter, especially the year end to make the numbers. Projects type business (for ex: blue star) have higher skews in Q4, however such skew results in poor recievables turns, bad debts and other issues (more on that later).<br/><br/><strong>The valuation</strong><br/>The company now sells at around 6 times earnings (net of cash). So the market is clearly expecting the company to perform pretty badly. Now this is a company earning very high return on capital, growing in mid to low teens and in a business which is pretty immune to the economy (defence spending). In addition, though private companies are now being allowed in defence since 2001, BEL has been able to do well.<br/>Other than the fact that the company is PSU, I cannot find a reason for almost a 50-60% drop in the stock price (other than that the market as a whole has declined).<br/><br/>Added note : I would not read too much into the Q1 results. As I said earlier in the post, if the company books too much revenue in Q4, the next years Q1 results get impacted.<br/><br/>I have loaded the a detailed analysis of the company in </span><a href="http://groups.google.com/group/valueinvestorindia"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">google groups</span></a><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">.</span>
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    <content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">I have written about the overall market a few times in the past (see </span><a href="http://valueinvestorindia.blogspot.com/search/label/Market%20analysis"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">here</span></a><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">). The problem with market analysis is that it is fuzzy and not actionable. For example, if someone were to say that the market is undervalued, what does that mean and what should one do about it?<br/></span><br/><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">Most of the times, market analysis is just noise. Good to hear and entertain yourself, but not really actionable. That said, there are a few times when the overvall market levels can be analysed and some buy or sell decisions can be taken.<br/></span><br/><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">I have generally invested in the overall market via an ETF (exchange traded funds). An ETF can be bought or sold like a stock and esentially represents an underlying index (see </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchange-traded_fund"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">here</span></a><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;"> for more details).<br/></span><br/><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">I bought heavily (by my standards) in 2003-2004 and held the ETFs for 2-3 years. I started moving out by 2006 and was completely out by mid 2007. As I have written in the past, I have followed a very simplistic approach on investing in ETF’s : Buy when the PE is below 12 and start selling once it crosses 17-18.<br/></span><br/><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">There are several valid drawbacks of using this approach, such as<br/>- PE data is based on historical data. However the market is not stationary (which means that the index of year 2000 is not same as index of 2008), and hence the data is not comparable across time horizons<br/>- PE data is backward looking, whereas the returns will depend on what happens going forward.<br/>- There is no hard and fast rule that the market is undervalued below a PE of 12 and overvalued above 18. If the economy is going into a recession then a PE of 12 is not low as the earnings are about to fall off.<br/></span><br/><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">In spite of all the above drawbacks, I have found that buying below a PE of 11-12 and selling above 17-18 works well over a 2-3 year time frame. The returns are not fantastic, maybe a 40-50% returns over a 2-3 year time frame. However as it involves a minimal effort, I think it is worth it. The above approach may not give big returns, but it definitely gives better returns than a fixed deposit.<br/></span><br/><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">I have also uploaded an analysis of the market data – PE, P/B etc for the last 9 years (see file </span><a href="http://groups.google.com/group/valueinvestorindia"><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;">history data.xls</span></a><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 85%;"> in google groups). The data is downloaded from the nse website. As you can see from the data, the market has been below the current PE (11.9) only 2% of the days. I personally think that the odds are decent at the current market levels.</span>
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